Leading Young, Leading Strong: WOW’s Co-founder Emily McLeod

WOW Recruitment

Leading a team of 25 at age 19? Co-founding a company by 22?


It’s certainly an impressive feat – and one WOW’s co-founder and director, Emily McLeod, achieved right at the beginning of her career.


Here, Emily shares her leadership journey, one that took her from engineering to sales and finally recruitment. She provides key insights into the challenges she’s faced, the lessons she’s learned, as well as some great leadership advice for current and emerging leaders in Australia.


Emily’s Leadership Journey


Straight out of high school, Emily began studying for an engineering degree, as according to her career advisor, that’s where her strengths lay.


“But I absolutely hated it. It was so dry, and I just didn’t enjoy the process. I was also the only girl in my class,” she explains.


Knowing she couldn’t face becoming an engineer, Emily scouted around for something totally different. She landed a sales job under the leadership of Daniel Tonkin, who went on to become a colleague, a friend but most importantly, her eventual co-founder of WOW.


“When I started in the sales job, I was 18. Within six months, I was promoted to a leadership role. Within 12 months, I was managing a team of 25 sales reps. It was my first taste of leadership and leading a performance- and results-driven organisation,” she says.


“As it was an entry-level sales organisation, we had a lot of young travellers and students who didn’t know what they wanted from their career yet. My one-on-one sessions focused on coaching them through what they actually wanted to do with their career, and I really enjoyed that aspect,” she says.


After spending a few years at the company, Emily began looking for another sales role, hoping for something with a corporate focus. But as she interviewed with a recruiter, they asked her a question she wasn’t expecting.


“They said ‘Have you thought about going into recruitment?’ And I replied, ‘I have no idea what recruiters even do!’. In the meantime, the CEO came into the meeting room to join the conversation and gave me more food for thought. I went home, mulled it over and ended up accepting the role as I felt like it would really suit my skillset. And I was right!” she laughs.


After spending a few years at the recruitment agency and getting a further taste of coaching others, she and Daniel decided to make a go of it themselves. They founded WOW when Emily was just 22.


“And I guess the rest is history,” she says.


Overcoming Challenges and Embracing Authenticity


In just eight years of working professionally, Emily has managed to achieve what others have worked at for decades. But that doesn’t mean it was easy. During this time, she’s faced many challenges and learned a number of valuable lessons that have continued to empower her throughout her career.


Misalignment when internal recruiting


As any leader will tell you, finding the right people for your team is one of the most crucial (and often most difficult) parts of establishing and growing your business, and Emily is no stranger to this struggle.


“When we first founded WOW, the biggest challenge we faced was hiring the right people. I found that so frustrating because I’m a recruiter – I’m supposed to be able to hire good people!” she laughs.


“In those early days, we hired people who didn’t have a lot of experience so I had to spend chunks of my time training them. It was difficult to balance because I was also the only one generating the business revenue.”


“After making the mistake of recruiting rookies with our first three or four hires, we realised we didn’t have the systems and processes in place to train them. We rejigged our budget and put more money into salaries to bring on experienced professionals. It’s only now we’re in a position where we can train rookies because we have the right framework in place.”


Emily explains that a big part of establishing a successful hiring framework is understanding the ‘why’ behind your business, and the driving forces behind it.


“Another mistake we made was not adequately defining our vision, mission and values before interviewing. We just hired based on our gut instincts. After getting it wrong those first few times, we sat down and nutted out our values and our vision of what we were trying to create with WOW. We then focused our interviews on ensuring our candidates aligned with these. Once we did that, we made some awesome hiring decisions and started to build a very powerful team .”

Leading came naturally but explaining it didn’t


Despite being so young when she took on her first leadership role, Emily never allowed her position to intimidate her or distract her from what she did best.


“I never looked for a leadership role – it kind of found me,” Emily explains. “Daniel used to say that I made it look so easy but all I was doing was leading by example, and people seem to find that inspiring. Because it happened so organically, I never found leading intimidating.”


“What I did find intimidating – and one of my biggest challenges – was trying to explain my process for success. I knew I was a great recruiter, but I couldn’t figure out how to make others great recruiters too. But I had to learn how to do that pretty quickly because as we started to grow, clients wanted to work directly with me at WOW, but I didn’t have the capacity to service everybody.”
“The way we solved that problem and kicked into growth mode was by ‘bottling the magic’ of systems and structures, moving it from being the ‘Emily way’ to it being the ‘WOW way’”


It was from this experience of distilling Emily’s approach that WOW’s five steps to recruitment happiness were born.


“It enables our clients to trust our process as a team versus my process as an individual,” she says.
“Now, everything that gets done more than once here at WOW needs to have a system behind it. We’ve got a training library which has videos, templates and checklists. We even have a system for creating a system!”


Like many other sectors, the recruitment industry faces major challenges in attracting and retaining talent. Emily explains that having systems and training in place is the best way to encourage and foster people’s growth, and create an environment where people stay long term.


“It really shows that recruitment can be a career, not just a ‘two-year gap filler’ industry.”


Dealing with imposter syndrome


For women in leadership, imposter syndrome is statistically more common than it is in men. Emily is no stranger to this feeling and has realised that isolation is often a trigger.


“It’s certainly been a big challenge for me. Sometimes you feel like you don’t deserve the accolades, or that you’re a fraud. I really struggled with that during COVID because I was at home and isolated. I couldn’t connect in person with my team and get that reality check first-hand in seeing what we’ve all created,” she explains.


Over the years, Emily has developed a number of strategies for dealing with imposter syndrome when it strikes.


“I can’t say I’ve nailed the solution yet, but I’ve built a framework to manage it, drawing from advice from other female leaders I’ve talked to. The first step is to be aware of it and I do this through stillness practices like meditation or yoga. The second thing is remembering I have a choice of where to put my focus. The last part is consciously disassociating when that impostor syndrome voice starts to creep in. It’s obviously quite uncomfortable to do, requires a lot of self-awareness, and it’s a work in progress.”

Embracing vulnerability

It’s natural for people in leadership to feel they have to hide vulnerability and put on a ‘brave face’, but Emily is a firm believer that an unwillingness or inability to be vulnerable prevents many leaders from being as effective as they could be. Afterall, it’s the people who have overcome challenges or adversity who we often find most inspiring.


“During the pandemic, there was a lot of conversation within leadership networks about the power of embracing vulnerability during times of change. And I felt like I needed to step outside my comfort zone during that time and embrace it as well,” she says.



“I forced myself to learn to be okay with sharing my weaknesses and struggles. And in doing so, I started to enjoy my role even more as I was being me. Being open to being vulnerable also helped me to connect with our staff on a level I’ve never been able to do before. It was a powerful tool that empowered the rest of the team as well. I thought it would do the opposite, but it actually gave me a bit more influence within the team. That was a huge learning curve, even though it wasn’t very comfortable to do!”

This commitment to personal growth and genuine connection with others has guided Emily throughout her career, and is the driving force behind the way she interacts with her team, clients and candidates. She believes in understanding what matters to each individual, and actively prioritising both physical and mental wellbeing. Ultimately, this is her advice for emerging leaders: to look after the whole person.


Looking for more leadership advice or want to know more about how we nurture careers? Please get in touch with us to find out more about the WOW way.

By Daniel Tonkin October 3, 2024
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By Emily McLeod, WOW Recruitment September 11, 2024
The best talent in your industry might not be actively searching for a job, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be interested in an opening at your organisation. After all, an opportunity’s an opportunity. This type of candidate search is called ‘passive recruitment’, and it differs pretty heavily from the more well-known ‘active recruitment’. Let’s talk about how they differ, and strategies to attract the best passive talent. Recruiting active vs. passive job candidates Who are active candidates? Active candidates are your classic job seekers. They already know they’re interested in another role, and are actively searching for a new employer. An active recruitment strategy is the common approach: writing job ads, posting them online and vetting candidates who apply. Who are passive candidates? Passive job seekers are candidates who don’t know that they’re candidates. They aren’t actively searching for a new role, and could be quite happy at their current employer. Still, for the right offer they might consider hopping over to your team. A passive recruitment strategy is proactive and slightly more challenging. It’s more of a head-hunting approach, identifying right-fit candidates from across the industry and building relationships with them over time. Many recruiters nurture these relationships even when there are no active job openings, just to stay in people's minds. Then, when a role eventually opens up, half the work is already done. The benefits of recruiting passive candidates Pitching your open role to a passive candidate might seem like a tricky sell, but there are a lot of benefits to finding these talented professionals – often outweighing the extra effort. Gain access to the best talent. Sticking to active recruitment can mean recruiting with blinders on, seeing only the people who are on the hunt. Broadening your search allows you to more accurately target right-fit professionals who you know are highly employable – after all, they are already employed! Reduce time-to-hire. When passive recruitment is done proactively, it may be quicker to fill openings with this strategy; by the time you need someone, you already have a number of prospective candidates sourced and nurtured. Less worker misrepresentation. Taking time to source ideal people ensures you already know a lot about them by the time they come to apply. This can lead to less worker misrepresentation, where people aren’t what their CV says they are. Lower competition. Active job seekers usually apply for multiple jobs at once. Meanwhile, passive job seekers aren’t on the market at all, so you may be the only one talking to them – reducing competition for their skills. Simple strategies to win passive talent 1. Brainstorm your perfect candidate Before starting the passive recruitment process, brainstorm who you actually want to find. This is a goal-setting exercise, giving you a ‘persona’ to target and an objective to measure success against. Some steps to consider: Identify current and future needs within the organisation, to better understand what skills gaps you'll be filling. Ensure you have a complete understanding of the job description, and all the necessary skills and qualifications. Build a persona which outlines the likely demographics, qualifications and other key features of the most likely candidates for any applicable roles. Who they are, where they work, what they know, their preferred salary, industry pain points... all of this may be relevant later. Gain buy-in (and sign-off) from relevant stakeholders within your business, especially whichever team leader is likely to manage this new hire. This will help ensure you’ve got all your details correct. 2. Strengthen your employer brand Your employer brand is your culture, values and mission, value proposition, and reputation. A strong employer brand is instantly recognisable, where professionals in your sector know your business to be a great place to work. The stronger the brand, the wider this reputation spreads. Having a strong employer brand is essential in passive recruitment, as right-fit candidates may engage with your brand long before you ever reach out to them – through your content, social media presence, events presence or word of mouth. If this contact has been positive, they may already have a high opinion of your organisation when you engage them for the first time. Learn more: How to Build an Authentic and Appealing Employer Image 3. Conduct a thorough candidate discovery process Finding right-fit passive candidates goes well beyond job boards. 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Ask them for a response, even if they aren’t interested. We know they aren’t actively looking for a job, but we can still get a conversation flowing to learn more about them. Alternatively, they might be able to refer you to a trusted colleague who is ready, and who may make a similarly great candidate. 5. Build a relationship with each candidate A good relationship with passive candidates is crucial to earning their trust and, in future, winning their application. This isn't a transactional thing, it’s two people dating, vibing each other out, seeing what the other person is about. Is your opportunity as good as their current one? Is it better? Can they trust you? These are the questions going through their mind. Keep things simple at first, and work your way up You might not pitch an opportunity straight away, instead focusing on dialogue and building the relationship for the relationship’s sake – that’s the proactive part of this we mentioned earlier. Act fast if they show interest Passive candidates can get second thoughts, or waiver and lose interest. Ensure you get them an interview with the right stakeholders as promptly as possible if they show interest, putting some faces to names and offering more of your value proposition to the candidate. Remember, the more you can learn about them the better If you get more information, you might learn more about what they dislike in their current role, or what they’re looking for in a possible new one. This will help you position your company as having the thing that they don’t have, but want. Finally, always respect their time People are busy, and their time is precious. We can empathise with that by keeping things concise, being clear and never pushing someone beyond their comfort level. Even if a candidate is interested, they might not be available yet, and we have to recognise that in order to win them over time. Empathy is never a bad strategy in recruitment! Need help? 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